<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Danke, Markus,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tipp 'mail client' war zielführend. Ich hatte in den Servereinstellungen für iCloud Mail tatsächlich meinen SMTP Server eingetragen, was eigentlich unnötig</div><div class="">ist. </div><div class="">Habe die entsprechenden Logs gefunden. </div><div class="">Denen kann ich entnehmen, daß dadurch, daß ich die Email durch 2 SMTP Server geschickt hatte, eine gmail policy ansprang, wenn ich das richtig interpretiere.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:17 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[24067]: 01A167D77D: client=<a href="http://p5xxxxxxx.dip0.t-ipconnect.de" class="">p5xxxxxxx.dip0.t-ipconnect.de</a>[xx.xxx.yy.zz], sasl_method=PLAIN, <a href="mailto:sasl_username=kuku@myserver.org" class="">sasl_username=kuku@myserver.org</a></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:17 mail postfix/cleanup[24070]: 01A167D77D: message-id=<<a href="mailto:7D524486-4561-4E24-923D-D9xxxxxxxxC1@me.com" class="">7D524486-4561-4E24-923D-D9xxxxxxxxC1@me.com</a>></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:17 mail opendkim[840]: 01A167D77D: no signing table match for '<a href="mailto:christoph@me.com" class="">christoph@me.com</a>'</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:17 mail opendkim[840]: 01A167D77D: no signature data</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:17 mail postfix/qmgr[15577]: 01A167D77D: from=<<a href="mailto:christoph@me.com" class="">christoph@me.com</a>>, size=4020, nrcpt=1 (queue active)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/smtpd[24074]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1]</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/smtpd[24074]: 51F707DEC3: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/cleanup[24070]: 51F707DEC3: message-id=<<a href="mailto:7D524486-4561-4E24-923D-D926A7A034C1@me.com" class="">7D524486-4561-4E24-923D-D926A7A034C1@me.com</a>></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail opendkim[840]: 51F707DEC3: no signing table match for '<a href="mailto:christoph@me.com" class="">christoph@me.com</a>'</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail opendkim[840]: 51F707DEC3: no signature data</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/qmgr[15577]: 51F707DEC3: from=<<a href="mailto:christoph@me.com" class="">christoph@me.com</a>>, size=4416, nrcpt=1 (queue active)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/smtpd[24074]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] ehlo=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=5</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail amavis[23060]: (23060-06) Passed CLEAN {RelayedInbound}, [xx.xxx.yy.zz]:53226 [xx.xxx.yy.zz] <<a href="mailto:christoph@me.com" class="">christoph@me.com</a>> -> <<a href="mailto:al.ka@gmail.com" class="">al.ka@gmail.com</a>>, Queue-ID: 01A167D77D, Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:7D524486-4561-4E24-923D-D9xxxxx034C1@me.com" class="">7D524486-4561-4E24-923D-D9xxxxx034C1@me.com</a>>, mail_id: EI9oIkVX4xj1, Hits: -1.008, size: 3986, queued_as: 51F707DEC3, 2198 ms</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/smtp[24071]: 01A167D77D: to=<<a href="mailto:al.ka@gmail.com" class="">al.ka@gmail.com</a>>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=2.5, delays=0.3/0.01/0.01/2.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 51F707DEC3)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Courier; color: rgb(119, 97, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 220);" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/qmgr[15577]: 01A167D77D: removed Nov 24 10:28:19 mail postfix/smtp[24075]: 51F707DEC3: host <a href="http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com" class="">gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com</a>[2a00:1450:4010:c02::1b] said: 421-4.7.26 This mail has been rate limited because it is unauthenticated. Gmail 421-4.7.26 requires all senders to authenticate with either SPF or DKIM. 421-4.7.26 421-4.7.26 Authentication results: 421-4.7.26 DKIM = did not pass 421-4.7.26 SPF [<a href="http://me.com" class="">me.com</a>] with ip: [2a01xxxxxxxxxxxxxb::1] = did not pass 421-4.7.26 421-4.7.26 To mitigate this issue, please visit Gmail's authentication guide 421-4.7.26 for instructions on setting up authentication: 421 4.7.26 <a href="https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication" class="">https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication</a> p10-20020a2e740a000000b002b6e77ea178si990871ljc.628 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command) Nov 24 10:28:20 mail postfix/smtp[24075]: 51F707DEC3: to=<<a href="mailto:al.ka@gmail.com" class="">al.ka@gmail.com</a>>, relay=<a href="http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com" class="">gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com</a>[74.125.205.27]:25, delay=1.3, delays=0.05/0.02/0.73/0.48, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK DMARC:Quarantine 1700818102 x26-20020a19e01a000000b0050335xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxlfg.646 - gsmtp) Nov 24 10:28:20 mail postfix/qmgr[15577]: 51F707DEC3: removed</span></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 24.11.2023 um 19:58 schrieb Markus Winkler via postfix-users <<a href="mailto:postfix-users@de.postfix.org" class="">postfix-users@de.postfix.org</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hallo Christoph,<br class=""><br class="">On 24.11.23 16:34, Christoph Kukulies via postfix-users wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Ich hatte in der macOS Apple Mail App auf eine Email geantwortet, die an meine <a href="mailto:christoph@me.com" class="">christoph@me.com</a> Adresse adressiert war.<br class="">Ich habe darauf ein reply gemacht. Eigentlich müßte sie doch an den Apple (<a href="http://me.com" class="">me.com</a>) mailserver direkt geliefert werden?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">das kommt darauf an, wie Du Deinen Apple Mailclient konfiguriert hast.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Oder kann es sein, daß sie über meinen <my_server_ip> an apple und dann an gmail geliefert wurde?<br class=""></blockquote>[...]<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Was läuft da genau ab?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Da Du keine Postfix-Logs lieferst, kannst aktuell nur Du selbst diese Fragen zweifelsfrei beantworten. Schau Dir einfach die Config Deines Mailclients und vor allem auch Dein Postfix-Log an: sofort bist Du im Bilde, welchen Weg die Mail genommen hat.<br class=""><br class="">Patrick hatte Dir neulich schon mal empfohlen, die Logs genau zu studieren. Wenn Du diese Details daraus nicht zur Verfügung stellst, wirst Du kaum jemanden finden, der Lust auf Spekulieren und Raten hat. Bitte liefere also mindestens relevante Logauszüge, sonst wirst Du keine wirkliche Hilfe erhalten können.<br class=""><br class="">Gruß<br class="">Markus<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>